‘Star Wars: Episode IX’: 1 Actor May Have Revealed a Huge Spoiler About Rey

It’s no secret among Star Wars fans that Star Wars: The Last Jedi was kind of a letdown. After everything that was set up by Star Wars: The Force Awakens, the second installment of the sequel trilogy simply failed to continue building in the same direction.

Instead, it kind of just went its own way. One of the biggest problems that many fans had was the reveal that Rey’s parents were nothing but a pair of nobodies. After all, it was heavily hinted that she comes from a relevant lineage in The Force Awakens.

But one Star Wars actor let it slip that what we’ve seen happen on the big screen in regards to Rey may not be what was originally intended. Check out that spoiler (page 4), and how it may still be possible to save the trilogy (page 6).

J.J. Abrams put the wheels in motion

J.J. Abrams in 2013

Abrams was responsible for getting the new trilogy started. | Keith Tsuji/Getty Images

When Disney and Lucasfilm announced the sequel trilogy, it was J.J. Abrams (known for Lost and Star Trek: Into Darkness) that was tasked with putting it all together. His choices were relatively safe, leaning away from the originality of the Star Wars prequels and going toward familiar themes. As a result, The Force Awakens introduced new characters and locations but with familiar plot points. At our most cynical, we could say that The Force Awakens was a rehash of Star Wars: A New Hope.

But there were definitely new and interesting aspects introduced to the franchise. Kylo Ren, the son of Han and Leia, seemed to be irredeemably evil. Supreme Leader Snoke’s rise to power following the downfall of the Empire was certain to be an interesting story. And Rey, the scavenger with the mysterious background, seemed to be someone of importance. Or, at least, so we thought.

Next: Episode VIII went a different direction.

Rian Johnson had his own vision

Rian Johnson at Star Wars Celebration

Johnson changed the direction of the trilogy drastically. | Ben A. Pruchnie/Getty Images

The biggest flub that Disney has made with Star Wars, it could be argued, is not charging one person with overseeing the entire story of the sequel trilogy. Despite Abrams serving as executive producer on The Last Jedi, he simply handed the baton to Rian Johnson as the director and storyteller. The result is that Johnson decided to take the story in completely different directions, which the middle movie of the trilogy feel more like a standalone film.

The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi are a poor fit. Where Episode VII teases story elements that promise to unfold in later movies, Episode VIII discards them completely. In the case of Snoke, he is dispatched as nothing more than a plot device. With Rey, the relevance to the story is a letdown. According to Kylo, her parents were nothing but junkers that traded her for drinking money.

Next: The people were not pleased.

Fans weren’t happy with the result

Rey in Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Rey’s journey in The Last Jedi didn’t deliver. | Lucasfilm

The collective mood of Star Wars fans was a positive one following The Force Awakens. After all, it released 10 years after Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, which was the best of the prequels but still relatively poorly received. The people simply wanted a movie they could like, and that’s what they got. Rogue One: A Star Wars Story followed a year later, and its overall reviews were extremely positive as well.

So there was a lot of anticipation for The Last Jedi. Luke Skywalker was returning, and we might finally get those answers on Rey and Snoke. Sadly, it failed to live up to the hype. Whether you liked the movie or not, and the fanbase seems to be very split along those lines, it’s impossible to ignore what a disappointment The Last Jedi was. And not only did it trash much of what people enjoyed about The Force Awakens, it hit the reset button two-thirds of the way through the trilogy.

Next: It wasn’t supposed to be this way, apparently.

Simon Pegg reveals a spoiler

Unkar Plutt in Star Wars: The Force Awakens

Pegg explained what he knew from behind-the-scenes. | Lucasfilm

Simon Pegg (Shaun of the Dead) played Unkar Plutt in The Force Awakens, but didn’t make an appearance in The Last Jedi. Even still, he’s a huge Star Wars fan and still doesn’t mind talking about the sequel trilogy when the opportunity presents itself. That happened just recently, as Pegg was a guest on the Happy Sad Confused podcast. He dropped an interesting nugget of information on Abrams’ original plans for Rey and her parents.

“I know what J.J. kind of intended, or at least was sort of being chucked around,” Pegg said. “I think that’s been undone slightly by the last one … There was some talk about of a relevant lineage for her. But I honestly don’t know, and I don’t know if anybody knows. We shall see.”

It sounds as though nothing specific was known about who, exactly, Rey’s parents were. But a pair of nobodies? Johnson really skirted a plot point that Abrams had handed him on a silver platter.

Next: Abrams makes a surprise return to the sequel trilogy.

Abrams takes over Episode IX

JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan talk on set of Star Wars The Force Awakens

Abrams is going to finish the story. | Lucasfilm

Originally, it was Jurassic World‘s Colin Trevorrow that was to direct Episode IX. However, even before The Last Jedi made it out into theaters, Disney and Trevorrow split. Eventually, it was announced that Abrams would be returning to lead the Star Wars saga — or at least, the sequel trilogy — to its grand finale.

But recent rumors about why Trevorrow was fired have made fans even angrier. As written on Reddit:

Luke and Leia were to be a pivotal part of his script, with Leia’s Force affinity revealed in a much more brother/sister way that was apparently going to be ‘beautiful and tragic’. Mark Hamill loved it. ‘We were on the same page,’ as he’s said about Trevorrow’s storyline. However, Kennedy and Johnson wanted Luke dead – period.

Fisher dying scuttled his original plan for the Leia Force affinity reveal, of course. But he still needed Luke alive for the story he wanted to tell to end the trilogy – more of a Luke handing off the baton to Rey and a Luke ‘walking off into the sunset’ idea, in the last film – rather than Luke dying in 8. They refused. He argued. They fired him.

It sounds like the kind of ending that most fans would’ve preferred.

Next: Abrams could still save one storyline.

Could Rey’s parents be retconned?

Rey and Kylo Ren in Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Did Kylo Ren lie to Rey in The Last Jedi? | Lucasfilm

There’s probably no way that Abrams could save Luke Skywalker, at this point. The same could be said about Snoke. Those characters are dead, and with the exception of Luke reappearing as a Force ghost to help guide Rey in Episode IX, they won’t be coming back to life. However, one major plot point could still be saved: Rey’s parents.

Many fans have pointed to the fact that Kylo Ren was attempting to manipulate Rey in the moment where the big reveal about her parents happens. Maybe he was lying? Maybe she does have relevance to the Skywalker saga? One thing is for sure, if Abrams wants to find a way to pivot back to his original plans for the trilogy, he’ll do it.

Next: There’s just one problem …

Will Abrams let the past die?

Luke Skywalker in Star Wars: The Last Jedi

The chances of us seeing Luke again are slim. | Lucasfilm

The biggest question about what Abrams will do with Rey’s parents is, why? What purpose would this have going forward, other than to appease angry fans and kick the sand right back at Johnson? For storytelling purposes, it doesn’t make much sense right now. Abrams is backed into a corner as it is, with the First Order tightening its grip on the galaxy and the Resistance having been whittled down to just a handful of people on the Millennium Falcon.

What is most likely to happen is that Abrams will simply continue to build onto the story, saving whatever elements from his original vision that still makes sense while letting everything else unfold somewhat organically. Rey’s parents, just like Snoke and Luke Skywalker, are now in the rearview mirror.

Next: You won’t believe the craziest theories fans have about Episode IX.

Snoke survived Kylo’s attack by transferring his mind into another body

Snoke stretches a hand out

Snoke in The Last Jedi | Lucasfilm

Even though we saw Snoke get sliced in half, not all fans are convinced he’s dead. That might sound ridiculous, but keep in mind, there’s precedent for it. In The Phantom Menace, Obi-Wan slices Darth Maul in half. Yet it’s revealed in The Clone Wars that he somehow survived; he returns with robot legs.

So how might Snoke have lived? One popular theory is that he is able to transfer his mind from body to body, and the Snoke we see in the movie is just one of many vessels. So it’s not as if he somehow survived being sliced by a lightsaber. It’s just that he jumped out of his body and into another upon “dying.” In Episode IX, then, Snoke would return, but in a new form, presumably not looking like his old self anymore.

An alternate version of this theory is that what we think is Snoke is actually just a puppet being controlled by the real bad guy like the Wizard of Oz. We know from the movie that Snoke can control things from far away — he throws Hux around while in a totally different room — so why couldn’t he control a fake Snoke body? The Visual Dictionary also makes mention of the fact that even when people speak to Snoke directly, “he disguises his true nature.”

Next: The founder of the Jedi Order revealed?

Snoke is the founder of the Jedi Order

Supreme Leader Snoke, half-lit, sits in a large chair, looking down at the camera

Supreme Leader Snoke | Lucasfilm

The Last Jedi disappointed some fans by not providing any information about Snoke’s backstory. But that doesn’t mean we’re never going to get these answers, and so the crackpot theories about his origins continue.

One of the most popular new ones is that Snoke is actually the first Jedi. On Ahch-To, there’s a mosaic on the floor of Jedi temple, seen most prominently when Luke explains the failings of the Jedi to Rey. The Visual Dictionary reveals that this mosaic depicts the Prime Jedi, the first member of the order. The image of the Prime Jedi does kind of look like Snoke, and it has a line going down its head that mirrors Snoke’s scar.

If Snoke is thousands of years old, it’s reasonable to think he may have found a way to cheat death and survive Kylo’s assassination. But Snoke doesn’t have to still be alive for this theory to be true: It could be something Rey discovers in Episode IX. In that case, as one Reddit user theorizesEpisode IX would be the apprentice of the “last Jedi,” Luke Skywalker, vs. the apprentice of the first Jedi, Snoke.

Next: Could this ring be key to the plot?

Snoke’s ring is a key to the plot of Episode IX

Snoke

Snoke | Lucasfilm

You may not have even noticed that Snoke is wearing a ring in The Last Jedi. But it’s gold and has some sort of black rock at the top. Normally, fans wouldn’t make much of it, except the Visual Dictionary reveals a tantalizing detail: The black rock is actually obsidian obtained from the catacombs beneath Darth Vader’s castle on Mustafar.

Some fans have a theory that this is more than just a cool tie-in to the previous movies. Perhaps this ring has some sort of power. As one Reddit user theorizes, maybe Snoke’s soul is forged into the ring itself, and he takes over the body of whoever wears it. This is sort of an extension of the theory that Snoke can transfer his consciousness into other bodies, but in this case, the ring is what allows him to do so. Or maybe the ring isn’t that important except that it leads Kylo Ren back to Mustafar, where he can have a scene with Anakin’s Force ghost.

All of this sounds like just wild speculation except for one thing: the working title of Episode IX is actually “Black Diamond.

Next: Should we get ready to see the Knights of Ren return?

The Knights of Ren will return and be the main villains of Episode IX

Knights of Ren in Star Wars The Force Awakens

Knights of Ren in Star Wars: The Force Awakens | Lucasfilm

It’s widely believed that Kylo Ren will redeem himself in Episode IXThat seems like a safe bet at this point, but if he turns, who would be the force that he rebels against? The obvious answer is Hux, but he’s not exactly a very intimidating foe to be the final bad guy of the trilogy.

So one theory is that Episode IX will feature the return of the Knights of Ren. You’ll recall that in The Force Awakens, Snoke states that Kylo is the “master of the Knights of Ren;” that’s why he’s called “Kylo Ren” in the first place. We briefly see the knights standing over piles of dead bodies in Rey’s Force vision. But they aren’t in The Last Jedi, which led the average viewer to believe that Johnson simply dropped this plot.

However, Luke does mention that after destroying the Jedi Temple, Ben Solo fled with some of his former students. So a common fan theory is that these former students are the Knights of Ren. For whatever reason, they weren’t in The Last Jedi, potentially off on some sort of separate mission. But some fans believe they will return in Episode IX, only to turn against Kylo Ren upon finding out that he killed Snoke. The finale will, therefore, be a fight not against a pasty First Order general but against six former Jedi.

Next: Luke could battle the first dark side Force ghost.

Snoke will return as the first dark side Force ghost and battle Luke

Anakin Skywalker - Force Ghost, Star Wars

Force ghosts in Star Wars: The Return of the Jedi | Lucasfilm

Here’s one last theory about Snoke, the character fans just can’t stop wondering about. Even if you don’t believe that Snoke survived the attack, there’s another way we could see him again: as a Force ghost.

Yes, in the current lore, only Jedi can appear after death. But it doesn’t seem like this is a hard and fast rule over at Lucasfilm. After all, in the book The Art of Star Wars: The Last Jedi, a piece of concept art shows Luke being haunted by a Sith Force ghost. ILM Senior Art Director Christian Alzmann speculates in the book that Dark Side users could come back from the dead.

“We’ve seen dead Jedi come back as blue ghosts,” he says. “Maybe Sith can come back. And maybe there’s some all-powerful mastermind Sith that’s controlling whatever the dark side is. We did talk a lot about how the final battle frontier for Jedi might be in the spirit realm. So you have to have a bad-guy ghost.”

In Episode IX, perhaps that bad-guy ghost will be Snoke. And now that Luke has died too, perhaps Luke and Snoke’s ghosts can battle it out.

Next: Who is the broom boy with Force powers?

 Temiri Blagg, the “broom boy,” is a Skywalker

Temiri Blagg in Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Temiri Blagg | Lucasfilm

After The Force Awakens, the No. 1 most popular theory was that Rey is a Skywalker. The Last Jedi seemingly confirms that this is not the case. But now, the fan conspiracy theories about someone being a Skywalker have simply shifted onto another character: Temiri Blagg.

That’s the “broom boy” who Rose and Finn meet on Canto Bight. The final scene of the movie reveals that he is Force sensitive. It seems fairly likely that we’ll never see this kid again, and this was simply an epilogue meant to show that Luke’s sacrifice has inspired the galaxy; it also reinforces the idea that you can come from nothing and still be strong in the Force.

Still, some fans are now coming up with wild theories about the kid. A common one is that Luke had a secret child at some point, who he hid away somewhere after the destruction of the Jedi Temple and the rise of the First Order for the same reason Luke himself was hidden away from the Empire. Another theory about Temiri is that he’ll be the main character of the upcoming Johnson trilogy. Neither of these seem particularly likely, but with Star Wars, you never know.

Additional reporting by Brendan Morrow.

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