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Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift basically broke the internet when they announced their engagement on August 26. In the 24 hours since the announcement went live on Instagram, fans have flooded the couple with congratulations, and we are seeing video compilations of fan reactions to the news. Fans also got a little insider information about how it all went down when Ed Kelce, Travis’ father, opened up about the big news. Based on what Ed said, the proposal took place a couple of weeks before the public announcement. Something else that is super important happened around that time; fans are wondering if the duo were engaged when Taylor Swift made her debut on New Heights, Travis and Jason Kelce’s podcast. Let’s take a look at the evidence.

Ed Kelce drops the details on when the proposal happened

Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift’s engagement is probably the biggest entertainment news of the year. While they’ve been quiet about the big moment since the announcement, Ed Kelce, Travis’ father, opened up to share some of the details surrounding the big moment. During a chat with News 5 Cleveland’s John Kosich, the elder Kelce said his son popped the question “not quite” two weeks before they went public.

The Kelce family patriarch said he and Swift’s father, Scott Swift, encouraged the tight end to seal the deal. He sought his future father-in-law’s blessing last month. Ed revealed that his son was hoping to plan something big and extravagant. Instead, he opted for a more intimate moment sooner, thanks to the encouragement of the dads. The proposal took place in Kelce’s backyard in Missouri, which had been decorated with flowers for the occasion.

So, were Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce engaged when she appeared on ‘New Heights’?

Now that we know how it happened, we need to determine if it occurred before or after Swift sat down with Travis and Jason Kelce to record their record-breaking episode of New Heights. While the episode dropped on August 13, it is believed the trio sat down to film on August 11. August 11 would have been 15 days before the pair announced their engagement.

Ed Kelce’s recollection of events would place the proposal around August 13, the day the podcast dropped. Still, fans feel like there are hints he proposed immediately after filming. Several fans note that Swift’s hair looked as if she had just been wearing a large pair of over-the-ear headphones just before the engagement photos were taken. During the podcast appearance, she wore headphones.

Other elements of her outfit also match. Swift was wearing different clothes in the proposal photos, but she was rocking the same Cartier Santos Demoiselle watch that she wore in the New Heights video. She also sported the same manicure and similar makeup.

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All clues suggest Kelce popped the question immediately after the pair filmed the podcast together. In short, no, they were likely not engaged by the time they filmed the podcast episode. They probably were engaged by the time the public saw the episode, though.

A new episode of New Heights was released on August 27. No engagement talk appears during the chat, despite Taylor Swift being mentioned multiple times.